Alex ([info]terra) wrote,
@ 2008-04-23 22:26:00
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Entry tags:fictional evil and how to love it, lezard still beats harry, nash latkje's shoes, vagrant story hates me, valkyrie profile, when memes attack!

You are what you fangirl.
Firstly: I've been on kind of a serial adding rampage, so hello new people, welcome to my hell :D I don't have an intro post or anything, but it's a livejournal, you know how this works. Also, [info]shogunate, I was going to comment something about my deep secret love of Tokugawa Japan and how this relates to your new username, but it said I was banned from commenting? Which might be a good idea, really, I'm just not sure how intentional it was!

Moving right along with that Top 5 Meme, here are my Top Five Ridiculous RPG Outfits as requested by [info]in_solis. The number one is kind of obvious, but really, there can be only one.

5. Luke fon Fabre, Tales of the Abyss--


This one is pretty low-key, but it's a prime example of just how RPG outfits usually go stupid. Something about the snowboard pants, the ridiculous hair, and the needless male midriff baring are just a few ways this outfit says DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT 200 DOLARS. Then, later on, when SPOILERS: Luke cuts his hair for CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, it reveals an unfortunate logo on the back of his shirt that the player has to stare at for the rest of the sixty hour game. Awkward.

4. The Entire Cast of Final Fantasy IV, As Drawn By Nintendo Power This isn't exactly canon, but COME ON. Who can resist the stylings of ARMOR SWIMSUIT KAIN??

Also, this is an appropriate time to point out that Cecil is probably not wearing any pants:


3. Nash Latkje, Suikogaiden Nash, I love you, but lavender is not stealthy nor particularly functional.



There are about fifteen different random buckles, a fastener the in the shape of a donut, and leggings that resemble kneesocks. Then tops that off with his special brand of overcoat-slash-dress and his strange, strange rectangular shoes.

2. Sion, The Bouncer We all knew that Nomura had to rear his primary-colored multizippered head sometime.



It has all the horrible details we've come to...appreciate Nomura for, the garish colorscheme, the nonsensical chokers and huge silver pendants. I also like the billowy shorts layered over the mini-leggings. Classy. Also of note: more jangly bits than you can shake an overlarge fighting implement at.

1. Ashley Riot, Vagrant Story Really, who else could it have been? Assless battleshorts. Assless battleshorts.



It amazes me that to this day I am the only person on livejournal interested in Ashley Riot's hair. It seems there's at least enough material for a college minor there.

That about wraps this one up. And if you were wondering, Melfice, that armor does make your boobs look bigger.



On a slightly more serious note, I was really busy last afternoon not studying for an exam, and so I found myself at TVTropes in the vicinity of the Valkyrie Profile. Somewhere around Misaimed Fandom I stumbled upon this little gem:

Lezard Valeth from Valkyrie Profile was written to be as repulsive as possible, a sexually deviant stalker and violator of natural laws; like Harry Potter grown up terribly, terribly wrong. Some fans eat his character up, and pair him with the heroine of the first game.

Now, as someone with this icon, I think it's pretty obvious that Tri-Ace intended Lezard to be a popular character-- after all, he's a super-special Seraphic Gate party member, with his partners in badass Freya and Brahams. His lechery is played for humor as much as it is for creepiness, and he is a genuinely brilliant free agent in a world overly concerned with destiny. Lezard also has an entire series of official manga to his credit, as well as a prominent role in Valkyrie Profile 2, which may has well have been subtitled Lezard for all Silmeria showed up in that thing. Yes, he is a horrible, horrible person-- but horrible people? In my Valkyrie Profile? When did that one happen?

But it did get me thinking: how does one fangirl evil? I love Lezard because he's such a fascinating character, because in a game full of gods his motivations are supremely human, in a game full of the dead he remains so triumphantly alive. To love, to aspire-- these are passionate, red things, things the gods do not do with any vibrancy, and watching Lezard's quest for knowledge and kindness unmake him is weirdly poignant. His actions are pretty reprehensible, but his worth as character isn't the same as his worth as a person.

Still, I have to admit the appeal of fictional evil. The characters I like in books are almost never the characters I like in life, and vice versa. I don't think this is so unusual; even the good guys can be too brightly colored and brooding to tolerate for periods of more than thirty minutes per week plus commercial breaks.

And yet, the love of villains is so often accompanied by a desire to change them, to make them better. We give them happy endings instead of downfalls. Does erasing fictional sins cheapen the real ones? Probably, eventually, if you decide that Satan is really the hero of Paradise Lost or make Tom Riddle your private pink squishy bear. At the very least, it's hard to make Sephiroth the good guy without insulting Aeris. But more than that, really, by writing off a character's faults we make them less than what they are, not more. I'm not sure what to do with the moral question, or the question of authorial intent versus popular interpretation, but if you take away the worst parts of a character, you usually take away the most interesting.


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[info]gamera
2008-04-24 04:43 pm UTC (link)
You know, I just noticed this, but Nintendo Power Rosa looks more like canon Cecil than canon Rosa. I am amused by this.

TAKE OFF THE NOMURA BUCKLES, NASH. ):

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[info]terra
2008-04-24 04:46 pm UTC (link)
OH, THE FOLLY OF YOUTH.

Also: Edward the most manly of the cast members?? Oh, Nintendo Power, no wonder the Japanese thought we were too dumb for this game.

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[info]gamera
2008-04-24 05:12 pm UTC (link)
I WOULD FORGIVE HIM FOR MUCH WORSE, THOUGH.

Well, Japan did make him pretty manly for that new cell phone game so they don't really have any room to talk. Of course that may just be because after seeing Dora, anyone looks macho.

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[info]terra
2008-04-24 05:20 pm UTC (link)
AS WOULD I. AS WOULD I.

Heyyy, it takes skill to make a guy with a mandolin and puffy pants look more masculine than the dudes in full plate armor.

Of course that may just be because after seeing Dora, anyone looks macho.

A STATEMENT OF TRUTH.

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[info]skyrend
2008-04-24 04:48 pm UTC (link)
Wow. Nash looks... wow.

Aaaah, you make me want to pick out my top 5 awesomely bad outfits now. XDDD

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[info]terra
2008-04-24 05:06 pm UTC (link)
On the upside, I like his Harmonian Temple guard outfit with the cute beret.

I WOULD SUPPORT YOU IN SUCH AN ENDEAVOR.

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[info]skyrend
2008-04-24 05:49 pm UTC (link)
THEN IT IS SETTLE. I will do so. 8D Because it will be fun.

Even dressed like a retard, I forgive Nash. I just love him too much not to.

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[info]terra
2008-04-24 05:54 pm UTC (link)
!!! A WINNER IS ME.

I forgive him too. His personality + face is hot enough that he can pull it off. Plus, he learns from his mistakes.

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[info]skyrend
2008-04-24 05:49 pm UTC (link)
And by 'settle' I of course mean 'settled' because I typ v. GUD

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[info]koenil
2008-04-24 04:50 pm UTC (link)
... I'm quite interested in Ashley Riot's hair, I might have to go add that. SERIOUSLY, WTF IS UP WITH IT?

The Nintendo Power arc always makes me roffle ♥

I have to say, I love your thoughts on fictional evil. Take Light-o for example - he's my favorite Death Note character, and he is most certainly evil. While I wouldn't be big on "real life" Kira, I think that as a fictional character he is absolutely fascinating. (I'm a sucker for a protagonist/antagonist character.)

Lezard doesn't deserve the abuse though. :| He likes little girls, but it's all in the name of ... JUSTICE!

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[info]cherrybomb
2008-04-24 04:53 pm UTC (link)
...Did Sora grow up and go batshit?

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[info]terra
2008-04-24 05:03 pm UTC (link)
YES.

The "Dogstreet" brand Nomura created for the Bouncer shows up again in Kingdom Hearts.

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[info]cherrybomb
2008-04-24 05:04 pm UTC (link)
Yyyyeah, I saw that. The hell. SORA ATE PENCE.

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[info]margyydoodle
2008-04-24 05:00 pm UTC (link)
Not the FF4 Nintendo Power art! Thats haunts my dreams!

Sion looks like an overgrown emo version of Sora o_o

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[info]terra
2008-04-24 05:05 pm UTC (link)
GAH HAH HAH HA!!

Sion looks like an overgrown emo version of Sora o_o

Further proof that all roads lead to hair spikes.

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[info]glorious
2008-04-24 05:15 pm UTC (link)
But more than that, really, by writing off a character's faults we make them less than what they are, not more. I'm not sure what to do with the moral question, or the question of authorial intent versus popular interpretation, but if you take away the worst parts of a character, you usually take away the most interesting.

THANK. YOU.

Typically, the characters I grow to like, I like because of their flaws. Trying to downplay that and making the villain a 'misunderstood' badguy just really falls flat to me, especially if said character just tried to commit a mass genocide.

There's a difference between seeing a bad guy and noting that he has some good qualities, and seeing only those good qualities while tossing out the bad.

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[info]terra
2008-04-24 05:41 pm UTC (link)
This goes for "good" characters for me as well-- I tend to like characters for their faults as much as I do for their good points. It's not a villain-only disease, but it tends to strike them hardest.
especially if said character just tried to commit a mass genocide.

AH HAH HAH, I run a Reno fansite and you wouldn't BELIEVE how many people get mad at me for mentioning he kinda DROPS THAT PLATE ON MIDGAR. But then, it is widely known that FF7 fans are crazy. AWWW MY SEPHY-WEFFY CUDDLY BEAR.

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[info]proglution
2008-04-24 05:17 pm UTC (link)
But Alex, how can you resist the sheer powah of the male midriff? It calls to you.

...LOL, Sion. That's all I can muster.

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[info]terra
2008-04-24 05:47 pm UTC (link)
I AM POSSESSED OF AN IRON WILL.

Sion is truly the Nomura's platonic ideal of character designs.

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[info]shogunate
2008-04-24 06:13 pm UTC (link)
How are you banned from commenting? I'll look into that right now. I'm sorry about that! D:

PS. Nomura really does make his characters the same way. Sion could very well be Sora's father, looking like that.

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[info]terra
2008-04-24 06:39 pm UTC (link)
I dunno :O But I thought I should let you know, hahaha, and it was hard because I couldn't comment :P

I would not wish a connection with The Bouncer on anyone, but the bad guy is THIS DUDE, basically Rufus Shin-Ra in a different colored coat. He is also the president of an evil cooperation. :/

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[info]heebee
2008-04-24 07:02 pm UTC (link)
Oh holy god I had never seen those Nintendo Power scans before! W-what did they DO to Palom and Porom???

Sadly, this looks like the work of the same artist who did some rather awesome Legend of Zelda & Secret of Mana art.

I'm not a habitual fan of villains, but sometimes it's just fun to champion evil in the consequence-free environment of fiction. There's a dark, violent, human desire to do whatever you want without regard for the repercussions--which, I suppose, is why one of my favorite villains is Kefka. He's doing it all for the lulz and when he zaps a village from his deathtower, I can't help but laugh along.

I can't laugh along with Sephiroth weeping in a corner over his mommy issues.

But then I never laughed along with Sephiroth, anyway.

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[info]terra
2008-04-24 11:27 pm UTC (link)
The Nintendo Power scans are pretty much my favorite thing ever, because, well, I consistently ruin everything I love.

There's a dark, violent, human desire to do whatever you want without regard for the repercussions
Yeah, that's definitely true, and why some games give you the choice of playing good or evil.

I'm actually not a huge villain person either, though I have a weak spot for a lot of hot fictional douchebags a la Delita Hyral. For me, Kefka was such a successful villain because, well, I really wanted to punch his face in.

Sephiroth is definitely someone you laugh at and not with

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[info]heebee
2008-04-24 11:42 pm UTC (link)
Mmm. Delita. I love me some double-crossing, scheming bastards.

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[info]terra
2008-04-24 11:43 pm UTC (link)
Marrying him may be worse for your health than freaking Daredevil, but for him I would do it anyway ♥ And that's why I wrote him a song that one time.

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[info]heebee
2008-04-24 11:45 pm UTC (link)
Only bad for your health if you stab first.

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[info]terra
2008-04-24 11:46 pm UTC (link)
Hey, if he's sticking it in me, I want to be sticking it in him.

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[info]seraphjewel
2008-04-24 09:04 pm UTC (link)
Well... I'll admit that I first liked Lezard because his voice actor did such an amazing job in the first game. He sounded so proper, which made his creepy/evil/crazy moments that much more awesome.

But you've got a good point. He is very human compared to the others. I tend to like the villains in most of the stories/games I get into because of their faults. So yeah: I liked Satan in PL, I liked Kefka, and probably some others I can't think of. I never really thought about why either but I could probably go on and on if I wanted ^^;

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[info]terra
2008-04-24 11:31 pm UTC (link)
Oh, that's definitely a part of his attraction. I think style is an important part of the videogame villain package, and Lezard has that in spades. The awesome VA is a huuuge part of it.

I liked Satan in PL as a character, but I didn't see him as the hero of the story, unlike a few people in my conference. Kefka I just really, really wanted to kill, hahahah, which to me made him a successful villain :P My favorite mainline FF villain (that isn't the ShinRa corporation) is Kuja.

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[info]seraphjewel
2008-04-24 11:37 pm UTC (link)
True, true. ♥

Well, no, I don't think of Satan as the hero either. Though our professor did give us that pitch while we were going through it. What can I say, I like the crazies ^^; Yeah ShinRa does kick ass :D;

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[info]lassarina
2008-04-25 12:56 am UTC (link)
I neeeeeed to get/play VP2.

Also, Ashley's ass is still the reinforcements. Oh, Vagrant Story, you have so much crazy (eeeeeee priestess dancing OMG.)

I am pretty sure Satan *is* actually the hero of Paradise Lost. But that might be my obsessive love of WW's "Demon: the Fallen" talking!

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[info]terra
2008-04-25 01:36 am UTC (link)
I really liked VP2-- it has such a unique visual style. Plus, lots of asskicking girls in heavy armor. Have you played the original VP?

AHAHA, new icon.

I'm sticking with my story-- that's just how I read Paradise Lost BUT I am interested in this "Demon: The Fallen" business if you'd elaborate.

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[info]lassarina
2008-04-25 01:43 am UTC (link)
Icon love!

Demon: the Fallen is a tabletop roleplaying game predicated on the idea that Lucifer was the brightest and rebelled because rebellion was best for humans, and the Host that fell with him did so because they loved the humans more than they loved God. It's a very dark and mournful game with a setting that focuses on suffering for that which you loved most, and fighting back against the torments of Hell.

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[info]iamfiction
2008-04-25 02:28 am UTC (link)
I think the only one without a ridiculous outfit in Vagrant Story is Hardin. I love him; he covers himself. :D

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[info]sarisa
2008-04-25 02:54 am UTC (link)
HARDIN HA HA WHAT. Armoured assless battlepants; sweet little metal corset number~ Neesa's chill if you dig the pre-vieran, the Grissom&Duane are pretty fly, and Romeo plays it decent. But only if you like skirts on your man.

ASHLEY'S HAIR IS PROOF OF DIVINE CREATION. CAN YOU DIG IT. I take more offense from his freakin' cereal bowl elbowplate.

eta~ church-issued red gogo boots.

Edited at 2008-04-25 02:56 am UTC

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[info]celestriad
2008-04-25 03:19 am UTC (link)
bwah, this entry made me go find vp:lenneth on the amazon marketplace and order a copy. XP

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[info]terra
2008-04-25 08:50 pm UTC (link)
:O :O I'm playing it right now, be sure to let me know what you think ♥

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[info]beliael
2008-04-25 05:11 am UTC (link)
In that picture of Nash, it looks like he's about to be punched in the privates by that fist near his leg. Probably for his horrible dress sense. :P

Many lols at those assless shorts. xD

Meh, the most horrible costume IMO is that worn by Ashelia in FFXII, especially that pink-handkerchief-for-skirt bit.

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[info]terra
2008-04-25 08:55 pm UTC (link)
Hahaha, that's his own fist too :D You can see the whole of my lazy cropping here.

Yeah, the FFXII crew as a whole generally deserve a mention, see [info]sarisa's brilliant deconstruction of Basch, BUT I was trying to keep up variety in this, so I only have one entry per series AND one entry per designer. The Vagrant Story guy is also responsible for Final Fantasy XII and seriously how does Ashley Riot NOT get the nod. Serioulsly. Hahah.

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[info]atroquinine
2008-04-25 03:30 pm UTC (link)
Yay, screw introduction posts 8D.

Also...your...meme...is so fucking made of win caohdlgkhdsklf AHAHAHA XD.

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[info]terra
2008-04-25 10:10 pm UTC (link)
I kind of think I should make an intro post, but I'm too lazy to explain my extremely complicated friending policy.

Glad you enjoyed it :D I spend way too much time thinking about this stuff.

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[info]atroquinine
2008-04-26 03:52 am UTC (link)
Hahah, my friending policy is non-existent. If I think a person is cool, then they're cool, and therefore they're cool enough to be on my friends list 8D. I wrote a whole shit load of tl;dr on lamperouge.com though, so like, I always cheat and go "YOU CAN READ MY TL;DR OVER HERE" lulz (So yeah, in case you want to read the tl;dr xD)

LOL. I wish I had the time to think about things like this ;~;

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[info]in_solis
2008-04-30 07:25 pm UTC (link)
OMG! Yang looks like he's wearing red crocs with teal socks! <-- that rhymes! yay~!

Lol, I am so glad to see Nash made the list - I would've been sad had he not. :P I just glad his fashion sense improved by the time he met Chris. ALTHOUGH, it would be funny to see her reaction to the doughnut. :P

I like some antagonists b/c they're evil, but mostly I just the ones who are bastards (but not necessarily evil). :P For example, I like Kefka because he's (probably) the most evil FF character ever. And he's got an awesome laugh. But I like Lezard, because to be he's more bastard than he is "evil." So, yeah. :|

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